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Jetai12 · Aug 03, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

topic please ^
What type of characters are groups looking before besides monk?

EDIT: i mean what is a class people are like mid mission and wishing they had gotten...

Angryhob0z · Aug 03, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01

<===== refer to my avatar...

oh you said besides monks...

uhh in most peoples eyes, 2 w/?, 2 mo/?, 2 ele/? and then usually a n/?, and a ?/? to make the perfect PUG (pick up group)..these stats are based on teams of 8 as you can add and see

Ninna · Aug 03, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05

depends on the mission

often,
groups want to have at least one warrior

Infecta · Aug 03, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

For any mission in the game, personally I dont care what class you are, as long as you aren't a complete idiot. I finished Thunderhead kep last night with 2 rangers 2 eles, 2 warriors and 2 henchman monks. We breezed through it whereas I have failed this mission with the so called perfect group a number of times, problem was it was usually a perfect group of complete idiots.

Angryhob0z · Aug 03, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

oh yeah i forgot to mention that, DONT PUG WITH IDIOTS! or at least make sure they follow directions so they dont have to be idiots

Imp · Aug 03, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15

PUG's are evil and something you are forced to put up with.

Other than that, once you get to the desert, you will not like being anything but a ele warrior or monk.

Sekkira · Aug 03, 2005, 12:20 PM // 12:20

I had a rather easy time with my N/Me.

Shamblemonkee · Aug 03, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25

The question is vague and the answer is 42

Winterclaw · Aug 03, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Depends where you are. In thunderhead keep and the first RoF mission, nukers espically ones that can kill without a direct spell are valueable.

In tombs the ideal group as far as I can tell is 2 or 3 W/?, 3 Mo/?, 2 els, and whatever. But then again a lot of groups are smiting monks builds or spike el builds or spirit spam ranger groups...

Old Dood · Aug 03, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

We really do not care what profession they are (Since We are monks) as long as they are Respectful,Mature,Kind,Considerate, and LISTEN to us when we say:"STOP..HEAL..RECHARGE..!"

Crimson_1190 · Aug 03, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33

usually i like a group

1-2 warriors : Stabby stabby or smashy smasky....just as long as they can take a hit...i perfer W/R for the healing and poison mixed with a variety of good melee.
1 monk (i am against the notion of needing two monks because i have been in a lot of groups where good char from other classes survive without babysitting....was in a group in uw where someone talked to the ghost, and still was standing there almost idle

)
1 ranger : traps, artillery....ability to change damage types...
1 mesmer : lock'em down, black em out, blind um, humiliate and sap them
1 necro :blood....speed up regen, curses to cripple different enemies
1-2 Elementalists nuke'em till they glow, (then shoot them in the dark)

Again it depends on the encounter, but alot of classes have counters and attacks specific for what is needed so it would be fine for a group like this.
The old standard format...I have been trying for a while to test this out with non-henchmen.....but people are just not patient enough, unless i use my monk char to make the group, but then again I am not as good of a monk as a warrior.

Edit*** forgot.... COMMON SENSE....PATIENCE !!!!! the most important....

This is just my opinion about what works....i have done it before results may vary....not available in all places....rules and restrictions apply, standard warning

lishi · Aug 03, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

last day i did ring of fire with no warrior ...

is much better all ranger and caster.

We all know rushing = dying

wait for mana

tanking without skill is stupid

Jetai12 · Aug 03, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

woot thanks everyone....with the exception of one person

ive decided to make a monk! if anyone can give me any links or build ideas or any ingame help that would be appreciated, ill be either Gurgi the Kind or Helga Healprayer

Stark Ravin · Aug 03, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

If you're going to be a smiting monk make sure you tell any group prior to joining them, that's about all I can say.

If you put everything in Healing Prayers & Divine; you'll be loved.

Mr. Matt · Aug 03, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44

If by 'most people' you mean the average Joe in the game, Warriors would probably feature next up after Monks. Elementalists probably follow, as well as Necromancers.

Rangers and Mesmers are possibly the most neglected profession in the game, from what I've seen. Not due to any shortage of them, but simply because your average random-invite Warrior/Monk simply doesn't grasp their effectiveness. Mesmers usually end up bottom of the list, though I tend to notice that there really aren't many of those.

Don't get me started on smiting monks. I had one once, thinking it'd be loads of fun. Well, it wasn't. You get shouted at for not being a healing monk, and people get quite irritated with you when you refuse to completely re-spec your character for their benefit.

trelloskilos · Aug 03, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Having played through the game now with my first char. (R/N), I'm really beginning to see just how needed a good healing monk is in the later parts of the game. It's not so easy to see in pre-searing or early Ascalon, because everyone is using henchies, and believe their W/Mo build will see them through the game. Also, let's face it - when you first start the game and create your char, how many of you were thinking "I want the class that will kick most ass", and how many of you were thinking "I want to just hang back during all the action and heal people"?

(not being derogatory in any way to any class...just stating an opinion)

In truth, I want to try out all the classes, and if it means playing the game through 6 with different primaries, and swap out secondaries at the Crystal Desert, then so be it. IMO, though, it doesn't matter what class you choose at the beginning as long as you're good at it!!

Akathrielah · Aug 03, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Depends on the group really, but you have to keep in mind when you are sitting there LFG in a misson area, with your necro, mesmer or ranger that a vast majority of the quests/missons in the game can be completed by a decently skilled group of solely warriors and monks. The PvE game for the most part is extremely simple, and what most groups want is to merely be able to blow through the misson as fast as possible. Which means a set of tanks, a healing/dmg prevention base, and high dps, in other words your classic Warrior, Monk, Ele, group.

That is not to say that the necro, mesmer and ranger class has nothing to contribute to a PvE group, but most of the time its just icing on the cake. Why bother using a slot for a SD mesmer when most of the enemy healers and casters in the game can be stomped flat in a few seconds? Why bring necro for support when you can merely pace/pull the mobs? Why bring a ranger for conditions/spirits/dmg when an ele can do more dmg and the when conditions and spirits are a per-encounter set of skills anyway?

Aug 03, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59	#1
Jetai12 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: where ever there is food! Guild: Looking for an AB Luxon Guild	What Are Groups Looking For? topic please ^ What type of characters are groups looking before besides monk? EDIT: i mean what is a class people are like mid mission and wishing they had gotten... Last edited by Jetai12; Aug 03, 2005 at 12:07 PM // 12:07..

Aug 03, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33	#11
Crimson_1190 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Take a wild guess..... Guild: Reality Check Profession: W/R	usually i like a group 1-2 warriors : Stabby stabby or smashy smasky....just as long as they can take a hit...i perfer W/R for the healing and poison mixed with a variety of good melee. 1 monk (i am against the notion of needing two monks because i have been in a lot of groups where good char from other classes survive without babysitting....was in a group in uw where someone talked to the ghost, and still was standing there almost idle ) 1 ranger : traps, artillery....ability to change damage types... 1 mesmer : lock'em down, black em out, blind um, humiliate and sap them 1 necro :blood....speed up regen, curses to cripple different enemies 1-2 Elementalists nuke'em till they glow, (then shoot them in the dark) Again it depends on the encounter, but alot of classes have counters and attacks specific for what is needed so it would be fine for a group like this. The old standard format...I have been trying for a while to test this out with non-henchmen.....but people are just not patient enough, unless i use my monk char to make the group, but then again I am not as good of a monk as a warrior. Edit*** forgot.... COMMON SENSE....PATIENCE !!!!! the most important.... This is just my opinion about what works....i have done it before results may vary....not available in all places....rules and restrictions apply, standard warning Last edited by Crimson_1190; Aug 03, 2005 at 12:34 PM // 12:34.. Reason: forgot important part

Aug 03, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#2
Angryhob0z Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Me/N	<===== refer to my avatar... oh you said besides monks... uhh in most peoples eyes, 2 w/?, 2 mo/?, 2 ele/? and then usually a n/?, and a ?/? to make the perfect PUG (pick up group)..these stats are based on teams of 8 as you can add and see

Aug 03, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05	#3
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	depends on the mission often, groups want to have at least one warrior

Aug 03, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07	#4
Infecta Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/Mo	For any mission in the game, personally I dont care what class you are, as long as you aren't a complete idiot. I finished Thunderhead kep last night with 2 rangers 2 eles, 2 warriors and 2 henchman monks. We breezed through it whereas I have failed this mission with the so called perfect group a number of times, problem was it was usually a perfect group of complete idiots.

Aug 03, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14	#5
Angryhob0z Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Me/N	oh yeah i forgot to mention that, DONT PUG WITH IDIOTS! or at least make sure they follow directions so they dont have to be idiots

Aug 03, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15	#6
Imp Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Novum Igneus [NI] Profession: Rt/	PUG's are evil and something you are forced to put up with. Other than that, once you get to the desert, you will not like being anything but a ele warrior or monk.

Aug 03, 2005, 12:20 PM // 12:20	#7
Sekkira Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canberra, AU	I had a rather easy time with my N/Me.

Aug 03, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25	#8
Shamblemonkee Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK, Bristol Guild: Gwen's Red Capes [Gwen] Profession: Mo/R	The question is vague and the answer is 42

Aug 03, 2005, 12:28 PM // 12:28	#9
Winterclaw Wark!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Profession: W/	Depends where you are. In thunderhead keep and the first RoF mission, nukers espically ones that can kill without a direct spell are valueable. In tombs the ideal group as far as I can tell is 2 or 3 W/?, 3 Mo/?, 2 els, and whatever. But then again a lot of groups are smiting monks builds or spike el builds or spirit spam ranger groups...

Aug 03, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#10
Old Dood Middle-Age-Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lansing, Mi Profession: W/Mo	We really do not care what profession they are (Since We are monks) as long as they are Respectful,Mature,Kind,Considerate, and LISTEN to us when we say:"STOP..HEAL..RECHARGE..!"

Aug 03, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42	#12
lishi Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005	last day i did ring of fire with no warrior ... is much better all ranger and caster. We all know rushing = dying wait for mana tanking without skill is stupid

Aug 03, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44	#13
Jetai12 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: where ever there is food! Guild: Looking for an AB Luxon Guild	woot thanks everyone....with the exception of one person ive decided to make a monk! if anyone can give me any links or build ideas or any ingame help that would be appreciated, ill be either Gurgi the Kind or Helga Healprayer

Aug 03, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#14
Stark Ravin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wisconsin Guild: Echoes of Thunder Profession: Mo/W	If you're going to be a smiting monk make sure you tell any group prior to joining them, that's about all I can say. If you put everything in Healing Prayers & Divine; you'll be loved.

Aug 03, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#15
Mr. Matt Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Profession: R/Mo	If by 'most people' you mean the average Joe in the game, Warriors would probably feature next up after Monks. Elementalists probably follow, as well as Necromancers. Rangers and Mesmers are possibly the most neglected profession in the game, from what I've seen. Not due to any shortage of them, but simply because your average random-invite Warrior/Monk simply doesn't grasp their effectiveness. Mesmers usually end up bottom of the list, though I tend to notice that there really aren't many of those. Don't get me started on smiting monks. I had one once, thinking it'd be loads of fun. Well, it wasn't. You get shouted at for not being a healing monk, and people get quite irritated with you when you refuse to completely re-spec your character for their benefit.

Aug 03, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36	#16
trelloskilos Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Guitarring Adventurers Society Profession: R/N	Having played through the game now with my first char. (R/N), I'm really beginning to see just how needed a good healing monk is in the later parts of the game. It's not so easy to see in pre-searing or early Ascalon, because everyone is using henchies, and believe their W/Mo build will see them through the game. Also, let's face it - when you first start the game and create your char, how many of you were thinking "I want the class that will kick most ass", and how many of you were thinking "I want to just hang back during all the action and heal people"? (not being derogatory in any way to any class...just stating an opinion) In truth, I want to try out all the classes, and if it means playing the game through 6 with different primaries, and swap out secondaries at the Crystal Desert, then so be it. IMO, though, it doesn't matter what class you choose at the beginning as long as you're good at it!!

Aug 03, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41	#17
Akathrielah Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005	Depends on the group really, but you have to keep in mind when you are sitting there LFG in a misson area, with your necro, mesmer or ranger that a vast majority of the quests/missons in the game can be completed by a decently skilled group of solely warriors and monks. The PvE game for the most part is extremely simple, and what most groups want is to merely be able to blow through the misson as fast as possible. Which means a set of tanks, a healing/dmg prevention base, and high dps, in other words your classic Warrior, Monk, Ele, group. That is not to say that the necro, mesmer and ranger class has nothing to contribute to a PvE group, but most of the time its just icing on the cake. Why bother using a slot for a SD mesmer when most of the enemy healers and casters in the game can be stomped flat in a few seconds? Why bring necro for support when you can merely pace/pull the mobs? Why bring a ranger for conditions/spirits/dmg when an ele can do more dmg and the when conditions and spirits are a per-encounter set of skills anyway?